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When someone says something about your Doctor... NEW INFO please help

GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
edited April 2011 in Pregnancy and Babies
This hasn't happened much, but the few times that it has it really bothers me. I selected a Doctor that a friend of mine just had delivered her baby in September and will be delivering her second baby that is due this September. My friend is a lot younger than me, about the same in weight, but not considered high risk like I am (mainly b/c of twins). My DR is very friendly, has had no problems with me and my partner. She is the head OB at the hospital and the new birthing center is named after her mother. She works very closely with Georgia Medical College and she has some Medical students work under her that about to graduate.

Now I have had two people tell me "Oh I wouldn't use Dr. Courson". I ask them why and they did not give me a real reason. Just that they have heard other people say that. One works at the older hospital in town (admittance personnel not as a nurse or doctor). The hospital that my Doctor is at is the other one in town. So, I'm thinking that maybe it's just something that the rival hospital has started as a rumor.
It can be frustrating b/c it can scare you when you hear that, but if I don't hear any concrete reason as to why I shouldn't use her then I feel like it is just gossip. She has always taken time with me and has never made me feel rushed.

What would you do in this situation?
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    EMG_RELEMG_REL Posts: 2,379
    edited November -1
    Everyone seems to have an opinion about everything related to pregnancy, and we've learned to brush it off politely and move on. Go with what feels right to you. I swear that half of the world loves our hospital, and the other half thinks it's a dump. We're going with the first half!
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    ZenZen Posts: 2,942
    edited November -1
    I would do ... nothing. You like the doctor, she comes with recommendations from someone you trust, and seems to have a good reputation in the local medical community. Unless detractors have something concrete to report, I would not make any changes to my own plans. I would google the doctor however just to make sure nothing solid pops up!
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    Beth81392Beth81392 Posts: 486
    edited November -1
    I would say choosing a doctor is a personal opinion. So stick to your choice. Is the Doc a MFM?
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    Beth, what is a MFM?
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    melmel Posts: 793
    edited November -1
    Maternal-Fetal Medicine specialist.

    If yourehappy with your OB
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    I don't think she is a MFM but she has me going to a specialist. I don't think there are any in our town.
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    melmel Posts: 793
    edited November -1
    Maternal-Fetal Medicine specialist. It's a high risk OB.

    If you're happy with your OB and they can't give you a reason, just ignore them.
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    twicejesstwicejess Posts: 228
    edited November -1
    I would stay where your comfortable. I have 3 doctors at my OBs office and I like 1 a lot, 1 is ok and one...I don't really care for. IT'S NOT that they aren't a good doctor, it's just a personality difference. In fact the one I don't really care for delivered Lauren and he was completely qualified and capable. And really at the point of pushing I didn't care who was down there in my business...I just wanted Lauren OUT!
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    PtownMomsPtownMoms Posts: 768
    edited November -1
    I would stay where you're comfortable too. EVERYONE will have something to say about something while your pregnant...and, well...after too. HA.
    Carrie & Monica

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    Shaeley MaeShaeley Mae Posts: 1,731
    edited November -1
    I did exactly what Zen recommended ..... I Googled my doctor. He has glowing reviews, and now I know why. I seriously think he walks on water. Not only is he highly experienced and educated, but he's also laid back, and he makes me feel like I'm his only patient.
    Like others have said, if your doctor is good for you, that really should be all that matters. But, for an added piece of mind (or perhaps a revelation of important feedback), Google him/her, and see what you find.

    Good luck. : )
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    I googled her and the only thing I could find was reviews from 2007 - 2009 and they were complaining that the staff was very rude. I have never had any of her staff be mean or rude, so maybe she has gotten different staff from back then?
    One person said that she never saw the DR in person and I don't believe that b/c I have seen either my DR or the other woman DR on all my visits. But no malpractice suits or any bad stuff.
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    KariKari Posts: 1,765
    edited April 2011
    I would go with your gut and stick with someone you feel comfortable with. My PCP is great, but her office staff sucks, and the nurse could use a personality. But I stick with her because I trust her with my care. I switched OBs because I had a personality issue with the one I started with. I'm pretty strong-willed, and when you jack me up with pregnancy hormones, it gets worse. When I called around looking for a new OB, I asked to speak with nurses within the practice, explained that I was a SMBC, that I often spoke out of turn, and if they had anyone within their practice who they felt would work with me. The recommendation made was exceptional. There are other doctors within the practice I'm not as comfortable around, but as Jess said, whoever does the baby catching (seriously the last 10 minutes of the pregnancy) is really irrelevant when you're pushing. :) I know my OB is switching practices to a closer hospital to my home, but farther from my work, and I won't be following him because I don't like the hospital he's transferring to. Little things like that can give people opinions, and if no one is backing them up with facts, they're likely little issues. Why don't I like this other hospital? Because when I took Justin there to get bloodwork done, the waiting room stunk of dirty bodies. And when my sister gave birth there (14 years ago Friday, by the way), the anesthesiologist was at lunch and she missed her opportunity for an epidural. Um, I'm still judging them by one incident that happened 14 years ago? Yeah. So take what people say with a grain of salt unless they're saying something specific, like the doctor consistently runs 2 hours late, or something more concrete.
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    Hopeful2010Hopeful2010 Posts: 134
    edited November -1
    My OB with my second son, everyone loved him. I heard wonderful things about him all the time, I felt like I was his only patient. NEVER did I hear anything bad about him. He was well liked and very hard to get into as a new patient. People complained because they couldn't get in with him and thought it wasn't fair. I heard of another lady that called the office and said she wanted to get pregnant and wanted a guarantee before she got pregnant that once she did, he would take her. Well a few years ago he was in the news ALOT because he wanted to change some laws on abortion. I cannot remember all the details right now but his reasons were something to the effect of being able to perform abortions for rape victims etc. He was Pro Life but felt a woman should be able to make these decisions based on these things. People felt that woman would lie so they could have an abortion because as it is now you have to go about 6 hrs for one anything out of the mothers health for a reason. Anyways, due to this controversial issue, I have heard negative things about him. For example, one is he is not a good dr, ask why? and you get, he just isn't. Really??? He went from being the best dr in town to now just isn't a good dr with no reason. I think these are personal opinions from all the hype not too long ago. So if I get pregnant again I will go back to him, others opinions do not matter in my care and how what I feel is best for me and my baby.
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    Today I had a doula tell me this in an email
    "She has numerous (NUMEROUS) and lawsuits out against her right now for making bad decisions that resulted in infant and/or maternal death. She makes bad judgment calls for monetary reasons. She's good if you know what you want and you stand up to her-but for most people, she walks all over them and uses her medical degree as a reason to do it. I don't like her. I've been to births with her and I don't like her."

    I have done the health check online and could not find anything about malpractice suits or anything. She never rushes me at my visits and has always been very nice. I also like the other DR in her practice.

    I told DP about it and she says that when we go for the US on the 16th she wants to meet her and ask her some questions.
    I just don't know what to do. I don't have any red flags popping up, but then I don't know what to really look for. I have no clue as I am new to this.
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    ZenZen Posts: 2,942
    edited November -1
    I don't know this doula and before I go on, let me say that I really like the concept of doulas. They support the laboring mom and help them follow their birth plans for a low stress, low intervention delivery. There are fewer c-sections when doulas are involved too. For those who don't want one that's a good thing.

    But I think that some may get carried away and forget their place. Supporting the mom. Not challenging the doctor. I'm sure there are doctors that push for things that make delivery more convenient for them or reduce likelihood of lawsuits or even just add to billable revenue. And if this doula has concrete things to tell you I'd listen. Like this happened on this date with this patient causing these consequences and this lawsuit.

    From what you've posted I wouldn't pair this doctor with that doula but otherwise I think you're still okay to keep your doctor. You mentioned that your friend had a baby with this OB and is under her care with a current pregnancy too. I'd spend some time talking to her. Her opinions may be biased by positive experience but the telling will be first-hand!
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    Thank you Zen. I didn't know it was going to be so dang hard to find a doctor to deliver me safely. Yes, the doula is very pro natural birth. And I would love to have that, but I am realistic and know with twins it sometimes isn't safe. Also, I was told by my lap band doctor that I should have a C Section,, not sure why, but that is what he said.

    I just don't want to die having a baby,,, I know it might be a irrational fear, but I think about it every now and then.
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    ZenZen Posts: 2,942
    edited November -1
    I didn't have twins so others who have may chime in and totally contradict what I'm going to say. I'd go with the safest, most conservative, stress and pain-free plan to have these babies. Shoot for 37 weeks, plan a scheduled c-section, and live happily ever after. Now, if you really want a natural delivery and the babies cooperate on position, go for it. But if not, don't sweat it!
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    sirvin12sirvin12 Posts: 88
    edited November -1
    I personally would see a high risk doc if I were you and here's why. 1 you are having twins! 2 you already have blood pressure issues that are potentially going to get worse as your pregnancy progresses. High blood pressure is a big deal while pregnant. It can lead to growth issues for the babies and pre eclampsia. 3 advanced maternal age 4 you said you are a bigger woman and that can further complicate an already complicated pregnancy. Quite frequently a regular ob just cant handle all of those issues. Have a perinatalogist be you primary care!

    Hugs,
    Your friendly neighborhood labor and delivery nurse
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    yfnryfnr Posts: 418
    edited November -1
    sirvin12 wrote:
    I personally would see a high risk doc if I were you and here's why. 1 you are having twins! 2 you already have blood pressure issues that are potentially going to get worse as your pregnancy progresses. High blood pressure is a big deal while pregnant. It can lead to growth issues for the babies and pre eclampsia. 3 advanced maternal age 4 you said you are a bigger woman and that can further complicate an already complicated pregnancy. Quite frequently a regular ob just cant handle all of those issues. Have a perinatalogist be you primary care!

    Hugs,
    Your friendly neighborhood labor and delivery nurse

    I completely agree. Twins are difficult on the body and based on what you are saying, it sounds like you have some pretty big risk factors. Hopefully all will go well and your pregnancy will be 'normal' but a more specialized doc would be able to pick up on any problems early in the game...far before they get too serious.
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    ShannyShanny Posts: 2,456
    edited November -1
    I agree with Shannon and Jamie on seeing a high risk OB and hopefully you can find one that is within a reasonable drive for regular care.

    As far as the other issue, I had a similar experience and I was eventually able to find "evidence" of the supposed law suits and even speak with one of the families via email. It didn't seem to matter at the time because I was supposed to have my beautiful, natural birth at the BC. When that didn't happen and they were getting ready to transport me to the hospital it came up about what doctor was on call and the doctor in question was. I said that I did not want her deliverying my baby (I found out later that my midwife has a very personal relationship with the dr but didn't know this at the time). Anyway, I said I would take my chances with whoever was on the floor. Turned out it was a grumpy, nasty man with the bedside manner of a towel. But he had sweet residents working under him who actually ended up doing my c section (the cut is super crooked but I don't know if that is related in any way to them being residents!). The point is that in the end Kate was born and was healthy. I don't know if that decision made any difference and of course I will never know. But once I started hearing things about the doctor I kept digging because it was not a chance I was willing to take. I would go back to this doula and ask for more information and see if there isn't another way other than simple "google-like" searches to find any pending lawsuits etc.
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    mommylovemommylove Posts: 1,582
    edited November -1
    I'm sort of surprised you haven't been referred to a MFM clinic or Perinatologist. We had far less complications (singleton not twins, no high BP) and were immediately referred during the beginning of the second trimester by our OB to the MFM clinic at our hospital. We continued to see my OB as she was the one delivering us but also were closely monitored at the MFM clinic by a nurse practitioner and Perinatologist there. I made me feel far more comfortable about any issues that arose since I knew so many people were involved in mine and the babies care.
    My OB automatically refers any twin or more pregnancies to the MFM clinic unless the patient declines it.

    Regardless you do have to follow your gut about any doctor whom you entrust with the care of yourself and your baby. I was incredibly lucky to have one of the best OB's in our state for my care. Shes very well known and respected. And in the end DP and I are so grateful for her care, especially considering the emergency state of our birth story that we never could have prepared ourselves for.
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    smartycat92smartycat92 Posts: 564
    edited November -1
    I also think it is very odd that you have not been sent to the perinatologist yet. I think it is highly peculiar that they did not offer an NT scan. And one of the thoughts I have had is that this OB is holding on to you for as long as she can so that she doesn't miss out on the money that your visits bring.

    And if you continue to have people tell you that she is trouble, I would really start to listen. As an emergency veterinarian I got to know all the vets in our county. And repeatedly one was clearly showing himself to be a quack. But his faithful clients loved him. But the guy is awful. Despite this, he has only ever been reported to the state board once. And malpractice suits and being reported to the licensing board are two different things. Not sure how you could find out about the malpractice suits. Can the freedom of information act allow you to look up legal cases involving her? I know you had said that maybe it was just people from the other hospital having a rivalry, but maybe it is because they see a lot of her screw ups? And no one is perfect... but if you see one too many problems then people will talk. And don't let a kind demeanor fool you. This quack vet has a wonderful bedside manner and a lot of the more questionable doctors I have met do... it is how the "get away" with it.

    Ugh, I hope I don't come off as a negative nelly. I am still so thrilled beyond words for you but through reading your posts, I have thought something was off with your OB situation for a while now. I didn't want you to think I was having negative "vibes" about your pregnancy so I have bit my tongue. Is there any way you can get an appt with the perinatologist sooner? I thought that is who you were seeing at 16wks and was shocked to read that is not the case. I think once you see the perinatologist, you will get a better feel for what this OB is or is not providing you.
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    indigoscotindigoscot Posts: 246
    edited November -1
    i agree with pp. you need to be seeing a specialist because of all the factors you have that make this pregnancy high-risk. i would try and find a perinatologist right away if i were you.

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    SPJ&ESPJ&E Posts: 874 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was in sort of a similar situation when it came to finding a doctor for this pregnancy. My usual doctor (that delivered my other 2) doesn't accept my insurance anymore. That threw me for the biggest loop you can imagine. You see, without him being the amazing doctor he is, my youngest might not be here right now. I ended up having to have a c-section with just a local anesthetic because the anesthesiologist decided not to be in a rush when they called for him. My son's cord had prolapsed, cutting off his oxygen. When that happens, there's a 3 minute window. After that, you risk major brain damage or death. So local it was and I felt every bit of it. It was beyond a nightmare. My mom was there with me and she still wakes up in a cold sweat and calls me in the middle of the night sometimes just to make sure I'm okay. It was very very traumatic. I don't blame my doctor for it at all. I know he did what needed to be done to make sure my baby was okay and for that, I am forever grateful.

    When I got pregnant this time and found out I wouldn't be able to go to him, I freaked out a little bit. The other doctors in our area are just out of the question. Some because I have been to them before and don't like them. Most because they deliver at a certain hospital...I would rather deliver on the side of the road than in that hospital (not gay friendly AT ALL and that is not an experience I want when we have our baby).

    The point of my long, drawn out story is that there is a doctor here, that delivers at the hospital I delivered the others at. I seen him once when I was having some preterm labor issues with my last and my doctor was out of town. He was nice and everything. My mother threw a fit when she found out he was the one to see me while my doctor was gone. I don't remember what she said about him or if she even said why at the time. Fast forward to now and me trying to find a decent doctor. I start digging online and I find exactly why she threw a fit. He has a ton of lawsuits against him. He was doing a c-section on one person and cut into the baby's head (baby needed stitches). During another c-section, he cut through a main artery on mom and she spent the 3 months of her baby's life in the ICU. There are tons of others.

    My mom tells anyone she can not to go to him and really, if they would just google him, they might listen. Despite that, he is still in business. He still has a lot of patients that stick by him because they have had good experiences with him.

    You're almost always to find some good and some bad with any doctor. It's a call only you and your DP can make. Maybe when your DP meets her, part of the questions could be about delivery. Make it clear to her what you want and see if her thoughts line up with that.

    In case you are wondering, I searched online for a couple weeks before deciding on a doctor to try. I found one practice with 4 doctors and the only negatives I found on ANY of them were that 1 had a "weird" sense of humor (and what he said that the woman was offended by, we found hilarious). All the other reviews were really good and believe me, I searched and I searched. We decided to go for it and actually LOVE the doctor we got. We got a younger doctor, who also teaches OB at ETSU. He's the newest doctor in the practice, but he also practiced somewhere else first (can't think of it right off the top of my head). I was really nervous about it at first (he is the one I could find the least about online). When he walked in the room at our first visit, he introduced himself and then immediately asked who A and J were. I introduced her as my partner and he didn't skip a beat. He talks to her like he talks to me. He always asks her if she has any questions and answers them in a way that doesn't make anyone feel stupid. We are very happy with him. We have to drive 1.5 hrs. to get there and will have to drive that long to have the baby BUT it's well worth it to have a doctor we are comfortable with and to be delivering at a hospital that I know is gay-friendly and will make A feel like any other parent.
    Mom to P (13), J (11), E (6), and Q (born December 2017)
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    michgirlmichgirl Posts: 406 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was advance maternal age, overweight, and having twins and I never saw a specialist because there is none in the town I live in or any relatively close by. However after all my appointments my Dr went over my "stats" with the high risk OB downstate, My Dr said he would only do a C-section with multiple births I was bummed but he gave me legitimate reasons why and I accepted them. In the end none of it mattered because my water broke at 31 weeks and I had a c-section after being transfered to the "big" hospital in Grand Rapids.
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    I will be under the care of a perinatologist, I just don't have an appointment until the 26th. I will call on Monday to see if they can get me in sooner, but I think they are booked up.
    Like michgirl, I live in a small community and there are NO real high risk OB's. I have to go 1.5hrs away to see the perinatologist.


    One big plus about this Doctor is she does make me feel comfortable and knows I am a lesbian. She actually asked me what my DP's name was, and said to tell her congratulations. I know that might not feel like much, but in South GA that is a big deal!!
    On the 16th Holly will go with me and she is all prepared to "interview" the DR.
    She checks my protein in my urine every visit, I am going to ask what my levels were the next time I go. I am going to be pro active and let her know that I am on top of my health and I am going to ask her questions about C sections, etc.
    If I don't like the answers that I get then I am going to switch.
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    GaBeekeeperGaBeekeeper Posts: 916
    edited November -1
    OH and when we see the perinatologist, we plan to ask him if he thinks we should deliver the babies with him. I know a lady who had to deliver with him and that is not unusual in our town.
    We are so backwoods here it is so crazy!!
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    jenoglvjenoglv Posts: 669 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I say ultimately to go with your gut. I saw the OB I had used for years prior to my pregnancy up to 36 weeks and decided to switch to a Midwife. I always had a "blah" attitude about my OB's prenatal care, and turns out, I couldn't be happier with the way things turned out. I love my Midwife, and will continue using her instead of an OB for anything in the future. And I did use and am friends with my Doula. I don't know how reliable your Doula friends information is, but I would probably listen to what she has to say. They see a side of the Dr that you don't. My Doula has told me some horror stories about some bad OBs in my area.
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    melmel Posts: 793
    edited November -1
    I switched OBs at 17 weeks (from the same OB Shanny talked about, actually!) and could not have been more happy with the decision. I had several concerns with her (she seemed cold, told me to lose weight through the second trimester because I was "too big" to carry the babies long enough, and was mean when I called in the middle of the night at 15 weeks when I woke up in a pool of bright red blood) but it was hard to find a new doctor to take on a triplet pregnancy that far along, so if you think you may want to switch, try to do it soon. I did not see my perinatologist until I was about 16 weeks pregnant (and that was with triplets) so I'm not as shocked that you haven't seen one yet as the others, though I didn't have any blood pressure issues.

    BTW, that first OB I had came VERY highly recommended and I have personal friends she has visited at 2:00 in the morning when they had problems during pregnancy. I knew she would be understanding of our family structure because she is a lesbian, but it turns out that there were other issues that were far more concerning. Everyone has different experiences with people and I think the most important thing, if there is no real evidence about why a doctor is not good, is to go with your gut.
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